painter-list FAQ
   

intro

 

The painter-list is a mailing list discussion forum created specifically for the purpose of sharing tips, tricks, techniques and technical expertise for using the natural media art/graphic application Painter™   (once again) by Corel™ (formerly by Procreate®, formerly by Corel™, formerly by MetaCreations™, formerly by Fractal Design Corporation™), in any and all of its flavors or versions, current or otherwise.

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This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page was created to assist painter-list members by covering some information about the list itself: links and instructions for joining/leaving the list, guidelines for participation and information about the list's history and its administration. The painter-list is a privately owned, operated (and funded) public discussion forum; no affiliation with Procreate, MetaCreations or Corel, in any capacity, is expressed or implied, whatsoever.

Visitors to this page seeking information about Painter IX, Corel, or any of their other products (their own, or acquired) should visit the Corel home page at:

http://www.corel.com


Those seeking information about Procreate, or any of their products (new or presently retained) should visit the Procreate home page at:

http://www.procreate.com


Those seeking information about MetaCreations, or any of their products (new or presently retained) should visit the MetaCreations home page at:

http://www.metacreations.com


Those seeking information about Fractal Design Corporation (now fractal.com), or any of their products (new or presently retained) should visit the fractal.com home page at:

http://www.fractal.com


Throughout this document, each section is separated by a navigation bar. Here is a brief description of the navigation bar keywords:

  • intro - this section
  • about - the list's history and mechanics
  • subscription - help managing your painter-list subscription
  • FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions (about the list itself)
  • guidelines - for submitting posts and participating on the list
  • admin - the list's administration and contact information
 
 
   

about the list

 

a bit of background

The painter-list was started by Chris Kim A sometime back in the early part of 1994, after enough people on the original photshop [sic] list (hosted by Jay Boersma) had voiced concern over the increased volume of off-topic traffic centering around Painter™.

Since then, the painter-list has grown from its slow, low-traffic beginnings to the bustling information exchange it is today. Around the end of 1998, the list began to show definite signs that its needs had grown beyond the capabilities and interests of its original service host, Netcom (now Earthlink/Mindspring).

So, as all things must change, the time had come for the painter-list to step into the next dimension of mailing list reality.   (Okay, the real deal was that Netcom has changed ownership THREE TIMES during their last several months and they'd been squeezing their long-time accounts by jacking up rates for shell account service. So, it came down to staying with Netcom and paying more and more for less and less, or finding a new, more cost-effective host for the painter-list that might actually offer more options to the list's subscribers and more serviceability to the list's admin.)

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After searching and researching, after much lamentation and gnashing of teeth (and, most notably, good council from Steve Doonan, co-list-admin of the   digital-artist list), the painter-list had found a home at  EsoSoft on their majordomo.net server. The list was migrated from Netcom to EsoSoft at the end of May, 1999.

Along with the pseudo-millennium, the painter-list's brief history at EsoSoft (majordomo.net) came to a close at the end of 1999. At the worst possible time (well, for the painter-list at least...okay, for the list's administrator), EsoSoft went into a partnership agreement with Topica, a web-based e-mail list service. This, on the heels of MetaCreations', announcement that it would be selling off all of it's non-MetaStream™ software and putting all its virtual eggs into the 3-D web graphics and e-commerce baskets. Egad.


configuration/mechanics/stats

Information about the painter-list's basic configuration, along with some minor statistical information (number of subscribers, average number of posts/day), can be found at:

a word about Topica

 

As mentioned above, the painter-list is currently hosted by Topica, a web-based mailing list service provider. Many (read: most) of the subscription options in the section that follow are available only to registered Topica members.

The good news is, registration and membership are free, and does have certain advantages:

  • list reading preference:
    • single e-mail delivery
    • digest e-mail delivery
    • web-only reading
  • searchable archive of the list's traffic (since it's migration to Topica)
  • multiple e-mail addresses:
    • switch message delivery from one address to the other
    • each Topica-hosted list can be delivered to a different e-mail address

Even better news: it is NOT necessary to become a Topica member to subscribe to the painter-list; you just don't get access to the advantages outlined above. Instructions for subscribing to the painter-list without having to join Topica can be found below in the do-it-yourself corner.

CAVEAT: whether or not you choose to join Topica, they do host the list, and could use your e-mail address for their own advertising purposes. While this has yet to happen, if and when it does, rest assured the painter-list will make a hasty exodus to yet another host.

 
 

 
 
   

subscription help

 

IMPORTANT! Note to pre-Topica painter-list subscribers: The migration of the painter-list to Topica made all of the previous majordomo instructions obsolete. Please make note of the following instructions for modifying your painter-list subscription and reading options.


Basic Subscription Commands*

  Subscribe to the list   DO IT
FOR ME
  SHOW
ME HOW
 
Unsubscribe from the list DO IT
FOR ME
SHOW
ME HOW
* These commands/links do NOT require Topica membership 


joining the painter-list (subscribing)

Information about the painter-list and a link to join (subscribe) can be found at Topica's painter-list directory page:

It is important to note that using the above link to join the painter-list will make you a registered Topica member. To join the painter-list without becoming a Topica member, use the Basic Subscription Commands above, or go to the do-it-yourself corner below.


modifying your painter-list subscription

(registered Topica members only)

For registered Topica members, all of your painter-list subscription options can be modified at Topica's painter-list preferences page:

The following instructions will give you a basic overview of how to change your messsage delivery preferences.


digest e-mail delivery

To switch to daily digest e-mail messages, go to the subscription options (preferences) page cited above. Next to the word "Read:", use the pull-down menu to select, "Message Digests - Sent by Email".


resume individual message e-mail delivery

To resume receiving individual e-mail messages, go to the subscription options (preferences) page cited above. Next to the word "Read:", use the pull-down menu to select, "Individual Messages - Sent by Email".


suspend e-mail delivery

To suspend receiving e-mail messages (either individual or digests), go to the subscription options (preferences) page cited above. Next to the word "Read:", use the pull-down menu to select, "Using Topica Web Site Only - No Email".


resume e-mail delivery

To resume receiving e-mail messages (either individual or digests), go to the subscription options (preferences) page cited above. Next to the word "Read:", use the pull-down menu to select your preference, either individual message or message digest e-mail delivery (see above).


leaving the painter-list (unsubscribing)

Part 1: registered Topica members only

To permanently remove yourself from the painter-list (unsubscribe), go to the subscription options (preferences) page cited above. In the left-hand column is a section marked "Personal Options", and under that heading is a link, "Unsubscribe". Clicking on this link takes you to a confirmation page; once you click on the "Unsubscribe" button, your e-mail address will immediately be removed from the subscriber list.

Note that this does not affect your Topica membership in any way; you will remain registered with Topica even after unsubscribing.


leaving the painter-list (unsubscribing)

Part 2: EVERYONE (even if you are NOT a registered Topica member)

To permanently remove yourself from the painter-list (unsubscribe), go to the Basic Subscription Commands section above, or see the do-it-yourself corner below.

Note that if you use this method, and you are a registered Topica member, this does not affect your Topica membership in any way; you will remain registered with Topica even after unsubscribing.


the do-it-yourself corner

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For those of you die-hard hold-outs who don't want to register with Topica, the instructions that follow are for the only e-mail commands recognized by the Topica list management software, subscribe and unsubscribe. Registered Topica users can also use this e-mail method to leave (unsubscribe from) the painter-list without removing you as a Topica member.

This section gives you the e-mail addresses for subscribing and unsubscribing to/from the painter-list. In either case, you'll need to:

  • turn off ALL text stylings; make certain you are only sending PLAIN TEXT to the Topica.com addresses (this is true for general list posting as well)
  • make sure the "From" address of your outgoing message to the Topica.com address is the same address as the one subscribed (this is true for general list posting as well)

subscribe to the painter-list

Address a BLANK e-mail message to:
painter-list-subscribe@topica.com
Never mind!   DO IT FOR ME

unsubscribe from the painter-list

Address a BLANK e-mail message to:
painter-list-unsubscribe@topica.com
Never mind!   DO IT FOR ME

 
 
   

Frequently Asked Questions

 

When I try to post a message to the list (or change my preferences) it says I'm not subscribed (or registered) even though I'm getting messages from the list. What's up with that? (part 1)

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This can happen when you attempt to post a message to the painter-list from an e-mail address other than the one with which you subscribed (or registered with Topica). Your "From" address must be on the subscriber list, otherwise the list distribution software won't approve it. Just because the e-mail is getting to you doesn't mean that the Topica software knows who you are.

This is one of the primary reasons users are strongly encouraged to update their e-mailing list subscriptions (unsub the old/resub the new, or change the address via the list preferences web page at Topica) when their e-mail addresses change. Relying on e-mail forwarding services can create all sorts of problems in the future, long after you've forgotten the address from which you originally subscribed.

If you are unable to correct this yourself at the list preferences web page at Topica, send an e-mail to the list-administrator including your old and new addresses with a brief description of the problem you're having.

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When I try to post a message to the list (or change my preferences) it says I'm not subscribed (or registered) even though I'm getting messages from the list. What's up with that? (part 2)

Sometimes, if your e-mail client has not been configured with a "From" address, your e-mail server will fill in this field for you. For instance, your address is user@dom.ain.com, and you've not set your e-mail client to use this as your "From" address. Your e-mail server may fill in this field with a slight variation of your address, such as user@mail.dom.ain.com.

If you are unable to correct this yourself at the list preferences web page at Topica, send an e-mail to the list-administrator including both your old and new addresses with a brief description of the problem you're having.

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My e-mail address has changed and I am no longer able to send e-mail from the old address to unsubscribe it myself. Now what do I do?

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If you are unable to correct this yourself at the list preferences web page at Topica, send an e-mail to the list-administrator including both your old and new addresses with a brief description of the problem you're having.

This is one of the primary reasons users are strongly encouraged to update their e-mailing list subscriptions (unsub the old/resub the new, or change the address via the list preferences web page at Topica) when their e-mail addresses change. Relying on e-mail forwarding services can create all sorts of problems in the future, long after you've forgotten the address from which you originally subscribed.

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My e-mail address has NOT changed, but I seem to no longer be receiving mail from the list. What's up with that?

This can happen when (for any number of reasons) your e-mail host has rejected painter-list messages being sent to your address and has notified the list-processing machinery at Topica that the attempt to deliver a message to your address has failed. Topica, in turn, notes the failure in an administrative area of their site and temporarily suspends delivery to the offending address(es).

Generally, when the list administrator checks the error reports (this is done manually, by checking the error report web page), the delivery of list mail is reactivated. If, however, this has happened repeatedly with the same address(es), the offending address(es) is(are) removed from the subscriber database.

Topica members: a simple (and preferred) method for investigating your subscription status is to first verify that you are registered with Topica, then check your list preferences to make certain you are set up to receive the list traffic via e-mail.

Non-Topica members: the best way to check your subscription status is to send a new subscription request to the Topica machinery (see the subscription instructions above). If you are subscribed, you will get a message telling you so, and if your subscription has been dropped, it will get you back on the list.

These methods above are much preferred over sending a "Testing" or "Hello?" or "Is anyone there?" message to the list posting address for the following good reasons:

  • If your address has been removed, sending this kind of message to the list will not work, it will be rejected as having come from a non-subscriber
  • If your address has not been removed, you'll end up not only annoying the other 950+ list members, but you'll be broadcasting to them (and posterity) that you haven't figured out how to manage your list preferences for yourself.

If you are unable to correct this yourself at the list preferences web page at Topica, send an e-mail to the list-administrator with a brief description of the problem you're having (be sure to include the subscribed address if it is different than the one from which you're sending your message).

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Is there a way to temporarily stop of delivery of my list e-mail while I'm on vacation?

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Yes! but only if you are a Topica member. To temporarily suspend delivery of painter-list e-mail, you can now use the list preferences web page at Topica to stop delivery of your painter-list e-mail without having to completely unsubscribe from the list. To resume delivery of painter-list e-mail, simply return to the list preferences web page at Topica and reset your preferences to send again (see the subscription modification instructions above).

If you are unable to do this yourself at the list preferences web page at Topica, send an e-mail to the list-administrator with a brief description of the problem you're having (be sure to include the subscribed address if it is different than the one from which you're sending your message).

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When I try to reply to a post from the list, my outgoing message is addressed to the originator of the post instead of the list posting address. What's up with that?

The painter-list has been configured so that simple replies are automagically addressed to the author of the post to which you are replying. This is fairly common practice for most active e-mailing lists.

An easy way to address your reply back to the list is to use the "Reply to all" function of your e-mail client. It is important to remember that when you do this, the original author(s) will receive the message from you privately as well as from the list.

It is wise not to become too overly confident with using your e-mail client; it always pays to double-check the recipient addresses BEFORE you hit the "Send" button. A split-second glance at the recipients could save you hours of heartache or embarrassment.

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I just made this really neat [nozzle, brush, script, picture] and want to share it with all my friends on the painter-list. Is it cool to send it to the list?

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Attachments of any kind are not cool at all. This also includes those silly "[username].vcf" address cards that some e-mail browsers can be configured to send.

If you do have something really swell to share with everyone, put it on a web page or ftp site and make a simple, brief announcement to the list of what it is, and the URL for its location. That way, the other members can decide to take advantage of your generosity for themselves.

Especially these days, when so many nasty bugs are attaching themselves to outgoing e-mail, please have the courtesy and respect for the other members of the list to not force them to blindly accept your attachment (see the section on attachments in the guidelines that follow below).

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A friend just sent me this URGENT notice about a [virus/worm, kid with cancer, cookie recipe] that sounds very serious. Shouldn't I pass this important information along to the painter-list?

In a word, no. Any time you receive this kind of urgent/scary news from even the best, most well-intentioned friend, it is always a good idea to check out the story first before passing it along to anyone. Your best bet is to check it out at some place like urbanlegends.about.com, arguably one of the most authoritative sites for information on Net Hoaxes, Myths and Rumors.

Perhaps less arguable and more authoritative would be the U.S. Department of Energy's Computer Incident Advisory Capability site, which includes information on both real and imagined computer security issues.

Even if your research turns up some legitimacy to the important news, the painter-list is not the place to distribute the information, no matter how serious or important. If it doesn't have anything to do with Painter, it doesn't belong on the list (see the section on public service announcements in the guidelines that follow below).

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I'm having trouble with my [computer, printer, scanner, tablet, mouse, monitor]. Can I get help with this from the painter-list?

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Your best bet is to contact the manufacturer or retailer of the product with which you're having trouble, even though you may well know that several others on the list are using the same product. Resist the urge to exploit the list for off-topic needs, even if the products are used in conjunction with Painter in some fashion.

If you're unable to find the information you need from the manufacturer or retailer, use a popular search engine like Alta-Vista or Google, or pose the question to a list better-suited for general digital artists' discussion like the digital-artist list. (see the section about staying on topic in the guidelines that follow below)

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There sure seem to be a lot of guidelines for posting to the painter-list. What's up with that? How can anyone be expected to remember all of this?

Actually, the guidelines boil down to some pretty simple concepts, that should be easy to keep in mind when participating on the painter-list:

  • make sure the address you're sending from is the one subscribed
  • keep the content of your posts directly related to Painter
  • turn off ALL text stylings; send only PLAIN TEXT to the painter-list
  • keep the "Subject" relevant to the content of your post/reply, even if it means changing it in mid-thread yourself
  • remember, there are over 950 members of the painter-list, from all around the world; be sure to extend your patience and courtesy to their maximum

If there's a painter-list-related question that you find is not covered somewhere here in this document, or you have comments or other questions about the list or its administration, owner-painter-list@kima.net rather than query the list itself. There is nothing any of the members can do to fix or change your subscription or the configuration of the list, besides being obviously off-topic.

The continuing quality and usefulness of the painter-list depends on each and every subscriber adhering to these guidelines to the best of their ability. The onus is especially upon the more prolific participants to set and keep the tone of the traffic on the list as Painter-related as possible, since the lurkers and newer members take their cues from the example each of you set.

That doesn't seem so draconian, does it?

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posting guidelines *

 



mailing lists vs chat rooms

This is an all-too-common case of mistaken identity. Mailing lists, in general, are usually information resources for a particular, specific subject. In the case of the painter-list, the subject is the exchange of tips, tricks, and techniques for using Painter.

Keep in mind that when you send a post to the list, it is being read by several hundred people who have subscribed to the list with the intention of learning something about using Painter. Posting messages (or replies) to the list that are directed to only one person is not only rude and inconsiderate, but can be very embarrassing.

Ask yourself if it's necessary to post to the entire list. If you aren't sure, e-mail it privately to the person to whom you are responding. The painter-list has been configured to make the private reply the default "Reply-to" address.

BEFORE you hit the 'send' button, make certain that the content of your post will be on topic, that the "Subject" header is indicative of the content, and most importantly, that the intended recipient addresses are correct.

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research your questions first

Before you post to the list, make a quick check to see if the question has already been answered — the painter-list has a searchable archive at Topica that can be accessed once you have registered with them. Also, be sure to use a search engine like Google or Alta-Vista to see if what you're looking for has already been made available by someone else.

Five minutes of basic research can answer a large number of questions without having to ask the list, because the answers may already be out there waiting for you to find them. The Internet, on the whole, is a very rich resource of information; to get the most out of it, learn how to utilize the tools to the best of your ability, rather than expect others to do all the work for you.

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stay on topic

The sophistication and complexity of Painter should, on its own, be more than sufficient as source material for discussion; for that reason, topics that waver from this seemingly narrow focus are strongly discouraged. In short, if it is not directly related to Painter, then it should not be posted to the painter-list.

Questions about hardware (scanners, printers, digitizing tablets, etc.) and other software, even though they are used in conjunction with Painter are considered off-topic for the painter-list. Queries of this type, including recommendations of same, are better directed to another forum, such as the digital-artist list. Subscription information for the digital-artist list can be found at:

http://www.topica.com/lists/digital-artist/

Discussing preferences of operating systems, computer platforms and other personal opinions unrelated to Painter are strictly forbidden.

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public service announcements

From time to time, a list member may come across some information that might seem of vital importance to the rest of the painter-list community. This might include: computer virus warnings, sending (E-mail, snail mail, business cards, get-well cards) to a child dying of cancer, etc. While the sentiment and compelling nature of this type of information is real, most often the information itself is not.

It only takes a few moments to check a site like urbanlegends.about.com to verify the facts of messages of this type. By the time you receive such a message, you can be sure 99% of the time, they've already done a write-up on the very subject.

Even on the rare occasion that the information is true, you must resist the urge to use the painter-list as a community-service bulletin board. Mailing lists, for the most part, have a very specific and narrow purpose. The painter-list is no exception in this respect, regardless of how well-intentioned or useful the announcement may be.

This is not a blanket statement about the factual nature of these types of posts; however, it IS a very strong recommendation that you not abuse the painter-list by proliferating them.

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quoted text in replies

This is one of the biggest pet peeves of list administrators and list subscribers alike.

If you include quoted material, edit it RUTHLESSLY!

When you respond to a message, quote the relevant part(s) as part of your message, but only that part. That way the other readers will know what you're referring to, but your message won't be hidden in a mass of irrelevant material. There will be hundreds of messages on this list, so this practice will help members track of trains of thought without irritating other list members who have to wade through pages of excess material that didn't need to be in your reply in the first place.

Simply including the entire message makes it hard for users to find your response, it wastes bandwidth on the network and costs people download time (and therefore money), and it shows a sloppiness in your postings that makes many people disregard the message (and possibly any future messages from you as well).

Make sure you trim the message footer and any signature block from the original message you're quoting. Don't include this kind of text in the reply — it wastes bandwidth and makes it that much harder to find your comments.

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"Subject" header relevance

Keep the "Subject" header relevant to the message content. If the topic in the thread changes, then change the "Subject" in your outgoing reply. Often, it is useful to include some or all of the original "Subject" in the revision, such as:

Subject: new topic (was: [p] Re: original topic)

This is especially true if you're receive the list in the digest form, and you are sending a reply to one of the posts contained therein. Initially, the "Subject" of your outgoing reply will look something like:

Subject: Re: [p] Digest for painter-list@topica.com, issue 23

...which means nothing to the other 950+ members of the list, except that you are advertising that you read the digest version of the list's traffic. As a courtesy to the others on the list, as well as for clarity's sake, it is well worth the extra few seconds it takes to make the correction to the "Subject" header of your outgoing reply to the list. Simply cut the text to the right of the "Re:" in your reply, and paste the content of the original message's "Subject" field (or a modification thereof, as described above).

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HTML and styled-text

Please do not use any text-stylings of any kind when communicating with the painter-list or Topica. As a courtesy to others, keep in mind that not everyone reading your message is using an e-mail client that is HTML- or styled-text-savvy. If you are using a browser-type e-mail client such as Netscape's Mozilla (Navigator or Communicator) or MicroSoft's Outlook Express), you have the option to configure your outgoing messages to the painter-list so that they do not contain HTML- or otherwise-styled/formatted text.

Mailing lists are text-based environments, and to reach the maximum number of readers, keep your messages in PLAIN TEXT format.

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spelling and grammar ARE important

Lots of folks like to think spelling and grammar aren't important. They're wrong. This is a written environment, and how you write something is at least as important as what you say — because if you say it incoherently or format your message to be unreadable, nobody will be able to find your comments, or won't bother trying to decipher them. Bad spelling and bad grammar are signs of laziness on the part of the sender. If you don't care enough about your contribution to make it as clear and legible as possible, why should anyone else care enough to bother reading it?

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critiques/editorializing

Occasionally, someone will post a "hey, check out my web page" or "I just uploaded some new images to my web page" announcements. On their own, they're fine, as long as they are non-commercial sites (as in, they don't advertise any goods or services for sale or hire).

Or, let's say, someone posts something that you personally find annoying, or may, in your estimation, infract the guidelines of the list.

In any of these, or similar, cases, make sure that you address your replies and comments to the original author in private using the simple "Reply" function of your e-mail client (or, if you read the list via Topica's web interface, click on the "From" name/link in the message header). If you believe it is appropriate, be sure to include the URL for this FAQ:


http://www.kima.net/painter-list/


If it is your desire to receive open feedback/discussion of your work, thoughts or comments, a forum such as the digital-artist list will probably be more to your liking. Subscription information for the digital-artist list can be found at:


http://www.topica.com/lists/digital-artist/


In the case of comments, questions, complaints or suggestions about the list's administration, please direct these privately to the list-administrator at the administrative address:


owner-painter-list@kima.net


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advertising

Don't.   At all.   Ever.   Really.

No, REALLY.

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file attachments/embedded file encodings

Same as above regarding advertising, but even moreso.

REALLY, REALLY.

Just say   NO.

This also includes those goofy v-card ("[username].vcf") attachments that are generated by some e-mail clients. Make sure to configure your e-mailer to not include v-cards (or any other attachment of any kind) when submitting a message via e-mail to the painter-list.

If you have an image you would like to share with other members of the list, put it up on a web site and direct interested parties to it via the URL (web address). Forcing people to download your attached file is not only rude and costly (to those unfortunates who still pay for their Internet service by the byte), but it can also invite serious disaster (and be even more costly) if you unknowingly send a virus along with your attachment.

Therefore, this guideline is STRICTLY enforced, and is completely non-negotiable. You may only get one warning, or none at all, before you are removed from the subscriber list and blocked from rejoining.

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signatures

Keep signatures as short as possible. Two or three lines is okay. Four or five is questionable. Anything more is completely out of the question. Keep your signature content within good taste so you don't offend the other members of the list. ASCII art is definitely not acceptable. Advertising (beyond the name and contact information of your organization) is also not acceptable.

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keep up

Read all of the replies before replying yourself. Before you post a response to a message, read the rest of the messages related to that topic. A message answered doesn't need to be answered ten times, just once.

One of the nice features of reading the list mail via Topica's web interface is the ability to sort the messages by thread (or topic, or "Subject"). Registering with Topica gives you access to this convenient bandwidth-saving feature.

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me, too!

If someone else has already made the comment you want to make, don't make it again, and please don't post "me, too" or "I agree" messages. They just waste bandwidth and clutter the list's archive. The painter-list is not a public opinion poll.

Concurring with someone or giving them moral support should be kept in private e-mail by using the simple reply via e-mail, or by clicking on the "From" name/link if reading the list via Topica's web interface.

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guessing vs knowing

If you don't know the answer, please don't just GUESS. If you aren't positive what the answer is, don't speculate or make up something that sounds reasonable. Let someone who does know answer it instead, or go research the answer. Search engines like Google or Alta-Vista can easily and quickly help you verify what you think to be the correct answer.

You will be of better service to the other list members if you leave a question unanswered rather than to answer it incorrectly. Even a stopped watch is right more often than one that runs slow or fast.

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line length

Please keep the length of lines in messages posted to the list to no more than 72 characters. If your e-mail client doesn't automatically wrap text, then learn how to do it, or make sure you play typewriter and hit returns at the end of lines (if you don't know if your e-mail client does this, then assume it doesn't and do it yourself...or RTFM for your e-mail client to find out how to make it do it for you).

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mind your manners

This is a public forum. Never send anything to the list that you don't want the entire world to see, because the world IS watching. Don't say anything that you wouldn't say directly to the person, unless you like getting yelled at...and even if you do like getting yelled at, save the rest of us on the list the hassle of having to watch. Bloody noses stain the carpet, and we faint at the sight of blood.

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You are new to the list. We aren't.

Please be aware that a topic you think is neat, nifty and new has most likely been rehashed endlessly already. If the list shows little enthusiasm for rehashing it again for your personal benefit, don't get angry. Instead, look through the painter-list's searchable archive (via Topica's web interface), and check with a search engine like Google or Alta-Vista to see if what you're looking has already been made available. (This is the "don't walk into a room of science fiction fans and say 'have you ever heard of this guy named Heinlein?' and expect to leave alive" rule...)

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humor is in the eye of the beholder

Humor is a very useful and important part of network communication. It is also a very easily misused or misinterpreted thing. You may think you're being funny, but unless you are very careful to make it clear that it's a joke (through use of smilies or some other way of flagging things as a joke), don't be surprised when people don't notice you're joking and get upset. Humor is easily lost in written discussion, so you have to use it with great care and prudence.

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administrivia

 

Please read the instructions and the guidelines on these pages. Pretty much every common problem or question is answered in this material, and if you manage to skip over some part of it and ask, you will, most likely, be referred back to this documentation.

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With over 950 subscribers, personally walking each member through the procedures and guidelines is literally impossible. The cooperation of each member in adherence to these guidelines is essential in keeping the list running smoothly, and consideration of the other (over 949) members helps make the list as beneficial to the greatest number of members.

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